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infinity

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Some of those old cowboys were bowlegged from riding, chaps may have accentuated, so the strap looks like the cowboy's legs.

I'm guessing that this is a the same reason they're also called a Mae West with the widest part resembling her hips.
 

jap

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You burned an extra 90? with that conduit that comes out of the top of the four-square to the left of the picture - You could have come out the side of the box closest to the wall, kicked up and 90'ed and saved some degrees - as well as making it easier to support. One all thread and 6" of strut. ;)

To the contrary, the Conduit coming out of the top of the 4 square is perfectly fine and supported as should be, with the allthread and minie.

No need to burn 6" of strut and (2) pair of strut straps.

With a little better box placement, the conduit in question could have had a small offset back to the sheetrock wall, 1 hole strapped to the corner stud and the issue of supporting this conduit back to back from the conduit above would never have become an issue.:)
 

kwired

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To the contrary, the Conduit coming out of the top of the 4 square is perfectly fine and supported as should be, with the allthread and minie.

No need to burn 6" of strut and (2) pair of strut straps.

With a little better box placement, the conduit in question could have had a small offset back to the sheetrock wall, 1 hole strapped to the corner stud and the issue of supporting this conduit back to back from the conduit above would never have become an issue.:)

Same goes for the upper conduit that it is currently supported from.

BTW I don't see that anything is supporting the box either, but could be missing it. This particular box is not to be supported solely by entering raceways.
 

jap

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I quit turning out 90's on the roughin years ago for this simple reason. It makes it hard to support the box if you need to install one and this is a classic example.

I always offset my stubups out,then they sheetrock behind and I mount my boxes flat against the wall and then go but that's just me.

JAP>
 

liquidtite

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Same goes for the upper conduit that it is currently supported from.

BTW I don't see that anything is supporting the box either, but could be missing it. This particular box is not to be supported solely by entering raceways.
its screwed into the stud
 

liquidtite

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To the contrary, the Conduit coming out of the top of the 4 square is perfectly fine and supported as should be, with the allthread and minie.

No need to burn 6" of strut and (2) pair of strut straps.

With a little better box placement, the conduit in question could have had a small offset back to the sheetrock wall, 1 hole strapped to the corner stud and the issue of supporting this conduit back to back from the conduit above would never have become an issue.:)
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kwired

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its screwed into the stud
Then it would likely be through the sidewall and not the back wall of the box. Which could be a violation of 314.23(B)(1). Notice I said could, I don't like this rule myself for applications like this one but strict reading and interpretation of the section means it is a violation to support it with screws through the side walls, unless they are within 1/4 inch of the back or ends.
 

don_resqcapt19

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Then it would likely be through the sidewall and not the back wall of the box. Which could be a violation of 314.23(B)(1). Notice I said could, I don't like this rule myself for applications like this one but strict reading and interpretation of the section means it is a violation to support it with screws through the side walls, unless they are within 1/4 inch of the back or ends.
I do not agree. The rule you cited talks about the fastener pasing though the interior of the box. A screw or other fastener that only goes though one side wall does not pass though the interior of the box. (yes this has been debated over many pages in numerous threads, and there has been no aggreement as to what the section says)
 

kwired

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I do not agree. The rule you cited talks about the fastener pasing though the interior of the box. A screw or other fastener that only goes though one side wall does not pass though the interior of the box. (yes this has been debated over many pages in numerous threads, and there has been no aggreement as to what the section says)

I don't agree either, but attaching that way when it would have been easy to turn the box and mount through the back wall just opens up that possible debate. I did not say it was a violation I just mentioned that it possibly is one. I know this has been debated on this forum before with no real convincing comments for either side of the debate.
 

Dennis Alwon

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How can something inside a box not pass thru if the other end is on the outside. Don't want to bring this up but I believe it does pass thru. With metal boxes I don't see this as a problem but with plastic boxes it can be an issue. Someone needs to write a proposal and see what comes up.
 
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