Confused BY The Nameplate

[Dennis Alwon]

This pump is for a pool. Apparently it is for 2 speeds but there are many confusing things on this nameplate.

1. How can a motor be rated for 208-230v and why would they not go to 240V.

2. Amps = SF 8.5/1.5 ,... What does that mean? It can't be amps at High and low speed is it. I assume SF is service factor but I never saw a motor amps showing SF

3. Then there is HP.... 1.0 /.12 with a tag after the nameplate that says total HP 1.85 which happens to be the SF also

I don't know how these numbers are gotten. Any help?

This is a friends pool and I have not been there but he replaced the motor 6 weeks ago and it burned up. I am sure they will replace it but should this motor be wired to 240V---actual voltage is 246V

 

[infinity]

Looks like a two speed motor, the low speed produces .12HP the high speed 1.0HP. SF is for the service factor.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

why is SF under amps. I assume that is amps with sf?

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Most equipment is not rated at the nominal system voltage. The typical equipment voltage ratings are 115, 200, 230, and 460 for the nominal system voltages of 120. 208. 240 and 480 respectively.
Not sure why they used one nominal system voltage and one typical equipment voltage on that one.

 

[LarryFine]

1. How can a motor be rated for 208-230v and why would they not go to 240V.

As stated above, 115v and 230v are common ratings for motors designed for 120v and 240v, respectively.

2. Amps = SF 8.5/1.5 ,... What does that mean? It can't be amps at High and low speed is it. I assume SF is service factor but I never saw a motor amps showing SF

It appears that they added the SF to the label, so "Amps SF 8.5/1.5" means 8.5 amps and 1.5 service factor.

3. Then there is HP.... 1.0 /.12 with a tag after the nameplate that says total HP 1.85 which happens to be the SF also

Also as above, power at high and low speed currents, respectively. I think the 1.85hp number is bragging.

 

[infinity]

The SF amp ratings are for at high speed (8.5 amps) and low speed (1.5 amps).

What do I need to know about my motor and where can I find it?Every motor has a sticker or nameplate affixed to its surface that provides important specifications, including: voltage, (1) horsepower, Hertz rating and (2) service factor. All of this information will be required when the pump or motor is serviced or replaced.The Service Factor is a measure of the capacity at which a motor can operate without overload or damage. A motor’s effective horsepower, or total horsepower, is the actual power output of the motor. You can determine this by using the nameplate to multiply the horsepower and the service factor together. In this case: A motor’s effective horsepower, or total horsepower, is the actual power output of the moto r. You can determine this by using the nameplate to multiply the horsepower and the service factor together. In this case:

1.5 (Horsepower) x 1.3 (Service Factor) = 1.95 (Total Horsepower)

 

[Dennis Alwon]

It appears that they added the SF to the label, so "Amps SF 8.5/1.5" means 8.5 amps and 1.5 service factor.

The pump states 1.85 as the service factor

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Most equipment is not rated at the nominal system voltage. The typical equipment voltage ratings are 115, 200, 230, and 460 for the nominal system voltages of 120. 208. 240 and 480 respectively.
Not sure why they used one nominal system voltage and one typical equipment voltage on that one.

I get that Don, is a pump capable of running at 208-230v . There are no jumpers to change for the voltage

 

[paulengr]

Leaving aside the “200ish” voltages for a minute you have to consider voltage drop. So you set the transformer for 120 but the equipment is rated 110 V after considering voltage drop. Same with 230/240 and 460/480.

Getting back to the 200ish range a common commercial voltage is 240/120 delta high leg where you can get 240/120 split phase or 240 delta. Or you see 208/120 wye which does not have 240 V available. So commonly motors are rated 200-230 V in this range instead of selling a 200 and a 230 V specific motor.

Pool pumps are two speed or some have an on board VFD with 2 speeds.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Here is the rub. My friend is running it on 246V- actual voltage. Every 5 yrs he has to change the pump so I was wondering if this higher voltage is the issue. also why make a pump at 230v instead of 240v which is standard voltage

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Leaving aside the “200ish” voltages for a minute you have to consider voltage drop. So you set the transformer for 120 but the equipment is rated 110 V after considering voltage drop. Same with 230/240 and 460/480.

Getting back to the 200ish range a common commercial voltage is 240/120 delta high leg where you can get 240/120 split phase or 240 delta. Or you see 208/120 wye which does not have 240 V available. So commonly motors are rated 200-230 V in this range instead of selling a 200 and a 230 V specific motor.

Pool pumps are two speed or some have an on board VFD with 2 speeds.

That is what I was asking. The motors I have seen did not have such a range in voltage.

 

[norcal]

Most equipment is not rated at the nominal system voltage. The typical equipment voltage ratings are 115, 200, 230, and 460 for the nominal system voltages of 120. 208. 240 and 480 respectively.
Not sure why they used one nominal system voltage and one typical equipment voltage on that one.

The 200V rating is more recent, although I have a couple of early 1970's Rockwell machines with single voltage 200V 3Ø motors. (Off topic they both are equipped w/ VFD's, 1 is a shaper, other is a 7" grinder so motor replacement was not a option for the grinder).

 

[hillbilly1]

Could use a buck/boost transformer to buck it down if needed.

 

[ptonsparky]

Where’s our pool guy? How long should a pump last?



Would a buck/boost work here if it’s a voltage problem vs bearings?

 

[infinity]

I don't think that I've ever seen 240 volts listed on a nameplate. Typically 208/230 or 208/230-460

 

[wwhitney]

The SF amp ratings are for at high speed (8.5 amps) and low speed (1.5 amps).

But when it says "Amps: SF blah" does that mean that it's the amps when operating at full nominal SF (1.85), rather than the amps when operating at SF = 1.0?

Cheers, Wayne

 

[don_resqcapt19]

I get that Don, is a pump capable of running at 208-230v . There are no jumpers to change for the voltage

In my opinion it can be used at either voltage based on the nameplate.

 

[retirede]

A motor nameplates for 230 should have no issues at 10% overvoltage or up to 253 volts. I would first check the running load current. There should be some kind of overload protection - is there?

 

[MTW]

At the top of the label, it is thermally protected.

If the running current in the application is running into the service factor region. You should consider putting a vale in the piping to restrict the flow, and reduce the current draw to the 1.0 SF level for longevity.

 

[ActionDave]

That is what I was asking. The motors I have seen did not have such a range in voltage.

Very common to see 230V motors say they are usable at 208V.