JJspark
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May you use zip ties to support LFMC. What is code article?
Zip ties as support for LFMC
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Nutmegger
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Sure, as long as you are not tying the LFMC to another conduit, which is prohibited, as you probably know, and as long as those zip ties are listed to support it.
Ok, in reality, I have never seen zip ties listed to support LFMC, but be prepared to defend your position against the inspector or whomever represents the AHJ, if they call you out on it.
I hope to goodness that your AHJ is not so nitpicky, but you never know.
Ok, in reality, I have never seen zip ties listed to support LFMC, but be prepared to defend your position against the inspector or whomever represents the AHJ, if they call you out on it.
I hope to goodness that your AHJ is not so nitpicky, but you never know.
petersonra
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what code article says the zip ties have to be listed as supports?
qcroanoke
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350.30 (A)
Doesn't say the support has to be listed but it does say it has to be approved.
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If the zip ties happen to be listed for that use, any AHJ is much more likely to approve them.
The words left totally ambiguous in all these variations are "recognized" and "accepted."
Clearly "acceptable" as part of "approved" is unequivocally left up to the AHJ.
The words left totally ambiguous in all these variations are "recognized" and "accepted."
Clearly "acceptable" as part of "approved" is unequivocally left up to the AHJ.
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Nutmegger
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I stand corrected on the "listed" part.
I could have sworn I remember it saying "listed", but apparently, it's "approved".
One way or the other, it has to satisfy the taste of your AHJ
And probably for a good reason -- if used outside, at the very least those ties should be weather and UV-resistant.
I could have sworn I remember it saying "listed", but apparently, it's "approved".
One way or the other, it has to satisfy the taste of your AHJ
And probably for a good reason -- if used outside, at the very least those ties should be weather and UV-resistant.
Even UV-resistant nylon zip ties will fail in short order (within a few years) if installed in a location where they are exposed to direct sunlight.
Does the word "approved" refer to the strap/device/equipment... etc or it is referred to "AHJ must approve the device/strap/equipment?
I don't know but my understand is if the zip tie is approved to hold pieces together then it is ok to use it as a strap. For example electrical tape is not approved hardware to be used as a strap.
Nutmegger
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"Approved. Acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction."
The AHJ must say that it's OK to use.
As opposed to "Listed" where the manufacturer and subsequently a certifying body such as UL says that a given piece of hardware is OK to use for the purpose.
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I don't but that's cuz I'm a cheapskate and would use tie wire.
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If you buy crap they will fail. On the other hand if you buy quality ones they will last as long as the insulation.
Consider the millions of tie wraps the cable and phone companies use for outside distribution.
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