lance.trowbridge
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im stumped
where in the code does it say you have to pull 3 wire to fan boxes
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Here it is
314.27 said:
I'm seeing two different things there.
To me, the OP is asking about a fan circuit being required at an outlet box and the Section you quoted addressed the type box used when the f an circuit is present.
To me, the OP is asking about a fan circuit being required at an outlet box and the Section you quoted addressed the type box used when the f an circuit is present.
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You are correct Gus... Nothing states that you must run a 3 wire but if you do..... Thanks for the correction on what the OP is asking...:thumbsup:
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A three wire pull will allow separate control of fan and light if you ever go to a combined fixture.
Although most modern residential fans can also accept a remote control that lets you control fan and light, with speed control and maybe dimming with only a two wire (hot and neutral plus EGC) circuit.
Although most modern residential fans can also accept a remote control that lets you control fan and light, with speed control and maybe dimming with only a two wire (hot and neutral plus EGC) circuit.
kwired
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Has anyone ever argued that you may pull a split circuit to an outlet box not for the use of a paddle fan but rather to continue one of the leads to another outlet? Seems logical to me that one may not intend to ever supply a fan, yet as is worded you sort of must still install a fan rated box there.
More of the NEC overstepping it's own rules about not being a design manual.
More of the NEC overstepping it's own rules about not being a design manual.
IMO, I don't see this requirement as a split circuit. "spare, separately switched, ungrounded conductors are provided ...."
kwired
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what I described is exactly what is described by the part you put in bold. What is described there is any situation where there is more then one switch controlled ungrounded conductor in the box, could be same 120 volt split via two switches or a multiwire branch circuit, or two individual feeds to the box via separate cables or raceways even.
jaylectricity
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Maybe the determining factor is whether or not the spare, separately switched ungrounded conductor is actually spliced to another ungrounded conductor that leaves the box. In that case you might be able to argue that it is not "spare".
mjf
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I agree, and it shouldn't be an argument. the way its worded is clear that the additional ungrounded conductor must be both spare AND separately switched to enact the fan rated box requirement. If it is either constant power or being utilized (feed through) a fan rated box should not be required.
kwired
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Sorry guys, I was missing that "spare" in the wording for some reason.
Might still be the NEC making itself a design manual, but maybe on a lesser level.
Might still be the NEC making itself a design manual, but maybe on a lesser level.
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Nothing says you have to, but it would seem like a good idea.
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Our local code requires that any ceiling box that is at least 3' from the closest wall be a fan rated box.
kwired
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How about the cases where they put three or so "mini pendants" over a kitchen island or peninsula only spaced around 30 inches apart?
Sierrasparky
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Do they make it be a fan rated box or capable of supporting a fan.
Guess they had a lot of fans falling down.
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