I just quoted a re-wire of a residential job in NM. The homeowner has been doing a little of his own research in wiring and asked for a quote where I will use MC cable instaead of NM. I believe he is concerned about interference with audio/video cabling, and perhaps some health/radiation concerns.
I'm curious if anyone else here in the forum who may catch this post can offer a labor mark-up rule-of-thumb of sorts, when it comes to handling MC vs. NM? I have done a bit of MC work in commercial projects over the years, and know what additional labor actions are involved, but just looking to see if anyone actually has a conversion factor when going between these types of materials.
You needn't include additional materials costs in your response, as I am proposing a labor-only quotation.
Thanks!
NEVER EVER WORK FOR ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY ARE SUPPLYING MATERIAL ...PERIOD !!!
That is probably a good general rule, but there are exceptions.NEVER EVER WORK FOR ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY ARE SUPPLYING MATERIAL ...PERIOD !!!
NEVER EVER WORK FOR ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY ARE SUPPLYING MATERIAL ...PERIOD !!!
NEVER EVER WORK FOR ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY ARE SUPPLYING MATERIAL ...PERIOD !!!
I guess im not that good at running mc in wood.This makes no sense to me at all.
Why EMT?
What is the problem with MC and wood?
How does the homeowner paying for materials change what wiring method is used?
I wired a house with conduit home runs to j boxes & MC branch circuits and would say 2X on labor is fairly accurate.
(With my industrial background I actually enjoyed it more)
I agree, take your NM price and multiply by 2X and you'll have your labor cost (I'm guessing at the 2X number) .
My entire house is wired with AC cable and metal boxes which was left over stock from a commercial job. :thumbsup:
i'd double the labor as well. pulling out a single phase house means two circuits
per raceway....
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I would ask the HO if he/she stops at Kroger, Food Lion, Costco, Publix, etc. and picks up steaks on the way to the restaurant. Then asks the restaurant to cook them for him/her and only charge labor for cooking?:roll:
This makes no sense to me at all.
Why EMT?
What is the problem with MC and wood?
How does the homeowner paying for materials change what wiring method is used?
NEVER EVER WORK FOR ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY ARE SUPPLYING MATERIAL ...PERIOD !!!
What is considered accessible is somewhat of a judgement call. Ever had to access the junction box of an installed recessed light fixture through the hole in a finished ceiling? Inspectors don't reject them, they are listed for the purpose, I haven't had to access that many but every one I did was not easy to access - maybe is better for someone with smaller hands. I have also had to "low crawl" as well as dig through insulation to access junction boxes in both residential and non residential applications - but they technically still were "accessible".Where did you put the boxes for them to be considered accessible? Were there a bunch of access panels throughout the house? I've though about rewiring my house like this but I worried what a resi inspector will consider accessible for the boxes. My background is strictly commercial/industrial and have never once did a resi job. Never touched romex and only worked with MC Cable a hand full of times.
That is what I do - add extra labor, it is harder to argue, and if they want you to clock in so they can keep track of every minute - then I will accept lower pay, but expect to not need to provide insurance both liability and workers compensation, plus they can pay the employer half of the SS taxes as well, because now instead of selling them my goods and services I am now an employee. I didn't eve get into other overhead costs yet those are just a few up front costs any business would have in such a situation.Exactly my thought and that is exactly what I did-- well not exactly- I didn't buy the steaks but the home owner owned a restaurant and I asked him if I bought a steak to his business would he cook it for me. He played like he didn't understand so I told him very clearly "Get someone else".
If the owner is getting materials I would add a bunch of money in extra for markup on materials that he bought. I would guestimate the materials and put my markup on it. If not then I would add a bunch to my labor to compensate for the materials.
Explain to them that all business owners analyze their costs when setting rates for resale as well as for service rates. In a typical electrical contracting business those rates are based on averages of items sold, and hours worked, and after crunching those numbers they set the rates they think they need to keep in business. If they want to come in and change the structure of things then the business needs to re-evaluate what needs to be charged to attain similar profits - or the doors will not be staying open. If they can't understand that - they are not a customer worth trying to keep. Funny thing is the ones that are the worst at that kind of thing are typically successful business owners that pinch every penny, they often are willing to pay what you ask for but will do anything to get you to bite on less, you just need to have the guts to call their bluff.Ive ive had home owners say to me pick up material but make Shure you show me receipt so I can't make any money on material .
What do you do then ?