Mutliple Sets

[Alwayslearningelec]

I know this has been discussed before but there seems to be varying opinions and I'm bidding a job with a lot of sets. I'm only running empty conduits and MC cable. Average run is abut 400'. There has to be reduction in labor time needed compared to if I were running much fewer sets.

My point I think I could possibly reduce my labor unit for the conduit if installing (10) sets compared to (2 sets).

(10) sets of 4" EMT
(5) sets of 4" EMT
(8) sets of 4" EMT
(12) sets of 4" EMT
(7) sets of 4" EMT
(6) sets of 4" EMT
(4) sets of 4" EMT
(3) sets of 4" EMT
(28) sets of 4/C #500 MC cable

 

[ramsy]

There has to be reduction in labor time

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[Strathead]

I know this has been discussed before but there seems to be varying opinions and I'm bidding a job with a lot of sets. I'm only running empty conduits and MC cable. Average run is abut 400'. There has to be reduction in labor time needed compared to if I were running much fewer sets.

My point I think I could possibly reduce my labor unit for the conduit if installing (10) sets compared to (2 sets).

(10) sets of 4" EMT
(5) sets of 4" EMT
(8) sets of 4" EMT
(12) sets of 4" EMT
(7) sets of 4" EMT
(6) sets of 4" EMT
(4) sets of 4" EMT
(3) sets of 4" EMT
(28) sets of 4/C #500 MC cable

Have you ever read the front of the NECA manual? If not, you should. Also most estimating programs I have used have some sort of reduction allowance for parallel runs. So yes, there is less labor involved. How you take a job off for an estimate is an entirely different matter. That needs to be determined by a person or people who holds the purse strings.

 

[Alwayslearningelec]

Have you ever read the front of the NECA manual? If not, you should. Also most estimating programs I have used have some sort of reduction allowance for parallel runs. So yes, there is less labor involved. How you take a job off for an estimate is an entirely different matter. That needs to be determined by a person or people who holds the purse strings.

I'm aware of NECA charts...just saying some people don't agree with the reductions

 

[infinity]

My point I think I could possibly reduce my labor unit for the conduit if installing (10) sets compared to (2 sets).

I would agree. Obviously if you build one set of racks for 2-4" you could build a larger set of the same racks for 10-4"

 

[Alwayslearningelec]

 

[Strathead]

I'm aware of NECA charts...just saying some people don't agree with the reductions

Not agreeing with the reductions would be ignorant. I am guessing those people you refer to are choosing not to adjust the estimate for that factor instead. Conduit run in walls takes longer than conduit run overhead, but I don't take them off separately and assign different labor rates to them either.

 

[Alwayslearningelec]

Not agreeing with the reductions would be ignorant. I am guessing those people you refer to are choosing not to adjust the estimate for that factor instead. Conduit run in walls takes longer than conduit run overhead, but I don't take them off separately and assign different labor rates to them either.

And why do conduit runs in walls take longer than ceilings? bending through the framing??

 

[Strathead]

And why do conduit runs in walls take longer than ceilings? bending through the framing??

That is a part of it, Also, the runs are shorter, so less blow and go, more measuring.