Gfci in laundry room?

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darekelec

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Hello. Recently I had inspectors telling me to replace my dedicated 20 amp 120V receptacle in laundry to gfci protected. There is no sink but only the water outlet for washer. Do you experts know any code reference I should stick to? I'm in NEC 2008 with NYC amendments. Thank you in advance
 
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darekelec said:
Hello. Recently I had inspectors telling me to replace my dedicated 20 amp 120V receptacle in laundry to gfci protected. There is no sink but only the water outlet for washer. Do you experts know any code reference I should stick to? I'm in NEC 2008 with NYC amendments. Thank you in advance
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Unless it is a NYC ammendment, you don't need a 20Amp duplex or a GFCI.
 
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david

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darekelec said:
Hello. Recently I had inspectors telling me to replace my dedicated 20 amp 120V receptacle in laundry to gfci protected. There is no sink but only the water outlet for washer. Do you experts know any code reference I should stick to? I'm in NEC 2008 with NYC amendments. Thank you in advance
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Describe the laundry room and where it is located. Not from NYC cant address any NYC amendments A
 
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darekelec

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...the room is nicely finished - stone and A+ plaster in penthouse apartment. 4' by 6' with couple of 120V receptacles. the inspectro asked to replace the receptacle to gfci adjacent to water outlet for washer saying it's also 'water outlet'. there were no appliances present. maybe it's local interpretation or something.
thank you for your input:cool:

if anybody is interested here is a link to NYC amendments to 2008 nec
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/downloads/bldgs_code/electrical_code_local_law_39of2011.pdf
 
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I ran into a similar situation a couple years ago. The washing machine was in a larger room with other outlets, and he wanted me to make all the outlets within 6' of the washer to be GFI. I argued and the head inspector agreed with me, there's absolutely nothing in the NEC to require that. Now I can't speak for NYC and I didn't read through your link to the Amendments, maybe there's something in there, but the NEC only requires outlets within 6' of a sink (exc. for kitchens) to be GFI, as well as other locations listed in Art. 220 such as unfinished basements, garages, etc. Also a 15A duplex outlet on a 20A circuit has been legal for decades, only if you have a single receptacle, not a duplex, does it have to match the amp rating of the circuit. That's old hat. Maybe your inspector will give you a code reference or reference to the NYC amendments that will back up what he's saying, unless I'm missing something.
 
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donselec said:
I ran into a similar situation a couple years ago. The washing machine was in a larger room with other outlets, and he wanted me to make all the outlets within 6' of the washer to be GFI. I argued and the head inspector agreed with me, there's absolutely nothing in the NEC to require that. Now I can't speak for NYC and I didn't read through your link to the Amendments, maybe there's something in there, but the NEC only requires outlets within 6' of a sink (exc. for kitchens) to be GFI, as well as other locations listed in Art. 220 such as unfinished basements, garages, etc. Also a 15A duplex outlet on a 20A circuit has been legal for decades, only if you have a single receptacle, not a duplex, does it have to match the amp rating of the circuit. That's old hat. Maybe your inspector will give you a code reference or reference to the NYC amendments that will back up what he's saying, unless I'm missing something.
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Nit pick........GFCI..............:)
 
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darekelec

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Now I can't speak for NYC and I didn't read through your link to the Amendments, maybe there's something in there, but the NEC only requires outlets within 6' of a sink (exc. for kitchens)

'Except kitchens sinks'? I thought the 6' rule for sinks includes kitchen sinks. So the garbage disposal, nearby dishwasher etc dont have to be gfci?
 
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darekelec said:
Now I can't speak for NYC and I didn't read through your link to the Amendments, maybe there's something in there, but the NEC only requires outlets within 6' of a sink (exc. for kitchens)

'Except kitchens sinks'? I thought the 6' rule for sinks includes kitchen sinks. So the garbage disposal, nearby dishwasher etc dont have to be gfci?
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Kitchens are in a different subcategory in 210.8(A) than the subcategory titled "sinks"

Only receptacles serving countertop spaces are required to have GFCI protection in dwelling unit kitchens.
 
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kwired said:
Kitchens are in a different subcategory in 210.8(A) than the subcategory titled "sinks"

Only receptacles serving countertop spaces are required to have GFCI protection in dwelling unit kitchens.
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Laundry, utility and wet bar sinks however do not have that exception.
 
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darekelec

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Yeah. Think of a case when client is doing dishes and there is a fault to enclosure in garbage disposal. Wouldn't gfci save the person?
 
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