Ford Intelligent Backup Power

[rainwater01]

Anybody have information about compatible inverters and equipment for the Ford Lightning Intelligent Backup Power. I have a customer that would like a grid tied system with a 2 year plan to buy a Lightning and use that for backup power. He also wants to incorporate a Cummins generator he bought but hasn’t installed yet.

I called Sunrun but you can’t buy equipment due to shortages and demand, unless you already have purchased the vehicle. The sales rep just sent me a link to some testimonials which I could see some of the equipment in the background.


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[wwhitney]

Some data sheets on the "Home Integration System" appear to be here, under Downloads:

AEE Express- The online store of AEE Solar, wholesale distributor of solar products and equipment - Sunrun Home Integration System (required to enable Ford Intelligent Backup Power)

<img alt= class=wp-image-4147 height=38 loading=lazy sizes=(max-width: 194px) 100vw, 194px src=https://www.aeesolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Sunrun-Logo-Dark-Blue-1024x206.png srcset=https://www.aeesolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Sunrun-Logo-Dark-Blue-1024x206.png 1024w...

www.aeeexpress.com

I have not investigated the info myself.

Cheers, Wayne

 

[rainwater01]

Some data sheets on the "Home Integration System" appear to be here, under Downloads:

AEE Express- The online store of AEE Solar, wholesale distributor of solar products and equipment - Sunrun Home Integration System (required to enable Ford Intelligent Backup Power)

<img alt= class=wp-image-4147 height=38 loading=lazy sizes=(max-width: 194px) 100vw, 194px src=https://www.aeesolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Sunrun-Logo-Dark-Blue-1024x206.png srcset=https://www.aeesolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Sunrun-Logo-Dark-Blue-1024x206.png 1024w...

www.aeeexpress.com

I have not investigated the info myself.

Cheers, Wayne

Thanks Wayne. There’s some useful information there.


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[sketchy]

I'd love to hear from someone who's installed one. We have the rights to install them in my area, most likely not for another year. My concern is the 131 kWh battery sitting in a garage. I fear that NFPA 855 will hamper the growth.

 

[jaggedben]

I'd love to hear from someone who's installed one. We have the rights to install them in my area, most likely not for another year. My concern is the 131 kWh battery sitting in a garage. I fear that NFPA 855 will hamper the growth.

From its title, I don't think NFPA 855 will apply to vehicles. Also what jurisdictions are actually adopting NFPA 855?

You at least spurred me to try to read it.

 

[retirede]

From its title, I don't think NFPA 855 will apply to vehicles. Also what jurisdictions are actually adopting NFPA 855?

You at least spurred me to try to read it.

I agree. The definition in 855 3.3.9.7 defines a stationary energy storage system (title of the standard) as “permanently installed as fixed equipment.” I don’t see how a truck could fit this definition.

 

[pv_n00b]

It's like the NEC does not apply to car wiring. It's under another standard that applies to cars even though a car can be parked in a garage.

 

[sketchy]

We're getting pushback on smaller Tesla batteries, 13.5 kWh, installed in a basement. While we're not following NFPA 855, it's going in that direction. 855 caps the limit at 80 kWh in and next to a dwelling. Now you increase that by more than 50% with a Lightning and the Fire Marshall starts to get involved more.

 

[retirede]

We're getting pushback on smaller Tesla batteries, 13.5 kWh, installed in a basement. While we're not following NFPA 855, it's going in that direction. 855 caps the limit at 80 kWh in and next to a dwelling. Now you increase that by more than 50% with a Lightning and the Fire Marshall starts to get involved more.

Again, 855 is a standard for “Stationary Energy Storage Systems”. That, by the very definition in the standard, does not include an EV.
The Tesla batteries do meet the definition.

 

[sketchy]

I should be more clear, I'm not saying that 855 will apply to a vehicle, but rather having that much storage capacity in a house is going to raise red flags from AHJ's.

 

[retirede]

I should be more clear, I'm not saying that 855 will apply to a vehicle, but rather having that much storage capacity in a house is going to raise red flags from AHJ's.

People have been parking Teslas (50-80 kWh batteries)in attached garages for over 10 years. I’m not sure tapping the battery for backup power increases the risks substantially.

I can see your point, though. The pervasiveness of high power battery technology will begin to draw additional scrutiny.

 

[pv_n00b]

I can see your point, though. The pervasiveness of high power battery technology will begin to draw additional scrutiny.

I have not looked into the history but I have to wonder if there was not a similar discussion when the new fangled gas cars became more ubiquitous and people were parking them in their carriage houses.

 

[gadfly56]

I have not looked into the history but I have to wonder if there was not a similar discussion when the new fangled gas cars became more ubiquitous and people were parking them in their carriage houses.

Said carriage houses were always detached. I'm not sure when attached garages became popular, but I know that my grandparent's house was built around WW II and still had a detached garage. By that metric, that's a long time (~1900-1943) to see whether or not storing a lot of gasoline in a structure is a significant risk.

 

[retirede]

I have not looked into the history but I have to wonder if there was not a similar discussion when the new fangled gas cars became more ubiquitous and people were parking them in their carriage houses.

I have no doubt that there were die-hard horse & buggy people talking derisively about cars in the same vein as some ICE-lovers disparage EVs today.

 

[retirede]

Said carriage houses were always detached. I'm not sure when attached garages became popular, but I know that my grandparent's house was built around WW II and still had a detached garage. By that metric, that's a long time (~1900-1943) to see whether or not storing a lot of gasoline in a structure is a significant risk.

But still, they didn’t want their carriage houses to burn, even if not attached to the house!

 

[ggunn]

I have no doubt that there were die-hard horse & buggy people talking derisively about cars in the same vein as some ICE-lovers disparage EVs today.

"If man had been meant to fly he would have been born with wings!"

I can't wait until we see electric dragsters; EV's have colossal torque off the line.

 

[jim dungar]

I have no doubt that there were die-hard horse & buggy people talking derisively about cars in the same vein as some ICE-lovers disparage EVs today.

Especially because many of the first cars were electric or steam with internal combustion/gasoline being in third place at roughly 20%.

 

[ggunn]

Especially because many of the first cars were electric or steam with internal combustion/gasoline being in third place at roughly 20%.

Bring back the Stanley Steamer!

 

[retirede]

"If man had been meant to fly he would have been born with wings!"

I can't wait until we see electric dragsters; EV's have colossal torque off the line.

This is 2 years old

https://youtu.be/Q6xgzVKph0Y

 

[gadfly56]

This is 2 years old

Top fuel dragsters clock in at about 338 mph.

While you might get better top end torque from an electric dragster, it's all about keeping the rubber connected to the road without slippage.