Performance Grounding?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Location
Colorado
Does any one know of a reliable source that can explain the purpose of performance grounding systems that dictate the use of 1 to 5 ohms max. resistance in some data and some health care facilities. What does having this low resistance acomplish? What are we protecting against? ect.
 

dereckbc

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Plano, TX
Re: Performance Grounding?

Chuck, I will try to answer some of your questions, and might be able to shine some light on the subject.

Try IEEE ?Emerald & Green Books? as a reliable source and available to the public. There are other sources published by Belcore and other phone companies, but they are proprietary and hard to come by.

I can?t answer why health care facilities require 1 to 5 ohm?s, but I can answer why telephone companies and data centers do. Reason is simple; it is required by the equipment manufactures for warranty. However from the performance perspective, it is ludicrous.

It is easy to obtain a 1 to 5 ohm resistance in large facilities by use of a combination of ground rings, rods, water pipe, structural steel, and ufer ground electrodes to form an electrode system. Such connections to the electrode system are only used for electrical safety (power-safety range) and not suitable for use at high frequencies (performance range). Measured resistance values of 1 to 5 ohms are only meaningful at dc and possible low frequencies below 100 Hz. In any case, these are not HF impedances. A 10-foot length of 750 MCM cable exhibits about 230 ohms @ 10 Mhz. Add that to 5 ohms dc and what do you get? About 230 ohms 230 uh? So what difference does 5 or 25 ohms make at HF. Take the same problem with a 25 ohm ground and 230 ohm reactance @ 10 Mhz and what do you get? About 231? HA!

The equipment inside the facilities requires both safety grounds and performance grounds. They are two separate but interconnected systems. The safety ground consist of the ground electrode system, GEC, MBJ, EGC?s, DC reference, DC equipment ground, cable entrance ground bars, etc. The performance ground systems consist of the ground electrodes, logic, and signal grounds.

The performance ground system has several configurations depending on the company philosophy. Some use single point isolated ground planes using single dedicated ground conductors, while others use an integrated ground plane approach using a grid connected to every electrode possible. Most use a hybrid of both isolated and integrated.

Radio sites are an exception to some point. They need a low impedance cable entrance point to bleed off a direct lightning strike before the coax's and tower lighting circuit enters the facility. Again they use the same principles as phone company's using single point isolated grounding so no external curents can flow through the equipment or circuits.

The one industry I know of that really needs the low resistance are electric utilities in generator plants and sub-stations. They pretty much use a grid to minimize step-rise potential differences during a ground fault.

Hope that helps.

Dereck
 
Location
Colorado
Re: Performance Grounding?

The NEC safety grounding system any the Equipment performance ground system need to be bonded together, so there is not a potential difference between the 2-systems in the event of lightning, Correct?

Does this bond need to occur at the main service?

What happens if there are unintentional bonds between the two system down stream in the field. IE. Computer raised floor(performance ground) bonded to under floor metalic power raceway(NEC ground)?
 

dereckbc

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Plano, TX
Re: Performance Grounding?

The NEC safety grounding system any the Equipment performance ground system need to be bonded together, so there is not a potential difference between the 2-systems in the event of lightning, Correct?
Correct, but not just for lightning. Earth cannot be used for fault clearing path. These facilities use both DC and AC power. A planned path is provided to clear any fault path.

Does this bond need to occur at the main service?
It can be. Most telecom facilities establish a office principle ground point bus (OPGPB) near but adjacent too the electrical switchgear. The OPGPB has all the ground electrodes (water pipe, building steel, ground ring, rods, etc) connected to it in a radial fashion (one dedicated cable to each GE). Then from the OPGPB a GEC is ran to the switchgear to reference the neutral bus. The OPGPB is the central bus where all ground systems originate.

What happens if there are unintentional bonds between the two systems down stream in the field? IE. Computer raised floor (performance ground) bonded to under floor metallic power raceway (NEC ground)?
A raised floor grid is considered to be in the integrated ground plane. Meaning multiple connections to the building structure and electrodes to form low impedance, high frequency path to earth, and between equipment frames. The grid is constructed on 2-foot centers and bonded to the OPGPB, any building steel it passes by, conduit, AC panels in the room, Xo from transformers in the room, etc. The grid is not used as a fault clearing path, but rather a low impedance signal reference.

All other grounds are isolated from contact from the incidental contact with the integrated ground plane. This is called the isolated ground plane. If compromised it would allow lighting, and external faults to enter and leave.
 

roger deas

Member
Location
North_Carolina
Re: Performance Grounding?

Actually as far as health care: in patient care areas, (within the patient vicinity) the grounding equipotential will be less than .1 ohm.

This is due to equipment being hooked to the patient, and very low currents between ground paths being potentially dangerous, burns and shocks to internal organs.

See 517.11

Along with the overall impedence, conductive surfaces in these areas will also be tested and recorded for leakage in millivolts, and shall be less than 20mV in new construction.

This criteria for testing is in NFPA 99 4.3.3 2002.

Roger
 

don_resqcapt19

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Illinois
Occupation
retired electrician
Re: Performance Grounding?

Roger,
Isn't that really bonding and not grounding? Do we really care about a reference to earth? or just between any conductive object in the patient vicinity?

Don
 

roger deas

Member
Location
North_Carolina
Re: Performance Grounding?

Don, in reality this could be true in an isolation served room, if it were allowed. In non isolation served rooms you have to use a reference such as the water system piping, panel ground bus, building steel, etc... which all connect to the building grounding. Now in real life, equipotential bonding is all that would be necessary if there were assurances that the patient could not be between a "grounded" surface and the (lack of better term) isolated bonded surfaces.

Roger
 

bennie

Esteemed Member
Re: Performance Grounding?

The patient is usually grounded to the building ground. This is to reduce interference from induced current from external fields, flowing in the body.

This is why it is important to have an isolated system.
 

bennie

Esteemed Member
Re: Performance Grounding?

Induced current, from exterior sources, can be detected in the human body by the EEG, and EKG equipment. This current flow gives incorrect readings.

Don't use cell phones in a hospital. Why not? Are they safe or not?
 

hornetd

Senior Member
Location
Maryland
Occupation
Journeyman Electrician, Retired
Re: Performance Grounding?

Originally posted by bennie:
Induced current, from exterior sources, can be detected in the human body by the EEG, and EKG equipment. This current flow gives incorrect readings.

Don't use cell phones in a hospital. Why not? Are they safe or not?
A cell phone can interfere with the transmission and receipt of patient telemetry for monitoring patients who are able to move around as well as patients who are on portable monitors pending a monitored beds availability.
--
Tom
 
Location
Colorado
Re: Performance Grounding?

Dereck,

Quote:

"Correct, but not just for lightning. Earth cannot be used for fault clearing path. These facilities use both DC and AC power. A planned path is provided to clear any fault path."

The grounding electodes are to direct lightning and other high voltage surges to the earth, when you talk about a planned path to clear any falut path. Does that mean a path to the power source, (XO terminal of the transformer)?(Equipment grounding system)
 

dereckbc

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Plano, TX
Re: Performance Grounding?

Chuck, correct. For example; many of the equipment racks are DC powered, that have general purpose AC outlets installed on or near them. The planned path will provide a fault clearing path back to the source in the event there is fault from one system to another (AC to DC, or DC to AC)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top