Objectionable Current - Water main

[don_resqcapt19]

Thought the same thing but if a toaster,coffee pot etc ( even with short cords ) on a GFCI protected circuit thought the GFCI would have a faster response time if sink was bonded. If a toaster that was plugged in but not on being they only have a two wire male plug ( no ground wire ) the GFCI might not trip and sink could be energised.

How would either of those two appliances energize the sink?

 

[jim dungar]

IMO, a kitchen sink is not “likely to be energized.”

I agree.

My example for possibly versus likely:
Yes, you could possibly win the lottery, however you are not likely to.

 

[mtnelect]

I agree.

My example for possibly versus likely:
Yes, you could possibly win the lottery, however you are not likely to.

Somehow ... GFCI/AFCI seems to fit the saying "Everything and the kitchen sink".

 

[kwired]

I agree.

My example for possibly versus likely:
Yes, you could possibly win the lottery, however you are not likely to.

I know somebody I wish you could convince this to.

 

[garbo]

How would either of those two appliances energize the sink?

Because water though not a great conductor will conduct electricity.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Because water though not a great conductor will conduct electricity.

So you have a conductive path of water between the sink and the appliance with a two wire cord that also has a ground fault?

I still don't see that energizing the sink, and is well outside "likely to be energized" in my opinion.

 

[LarryFine]

How would either of those two appliances energize the sink?

Methinks he meant that a GFCI would trip more reliably with the sink being well-grounded.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Methinks he meant that a GFCI would trip more reliably with the sink being well-grounded.

I really have no idea of what he intended to say.

Thought the same thing but if a toaster,coffee pot etc ( even with short cords ) on a GFCI protected circuit thought the GFCI would have a faster response time if sink was bonded. If a toaster that was plugged in but not on being they only have a two wire male plug ( no ground wire ) the GFCI might not trip and sink could be energised.

I see no way that the sink becomes energized.

If the metal sink has no connection to earth, there is no shock hazard and there would be no need for the GFCI to trip.

A bonded sink, in this application, only results in a short duration shock (the trip time of the GFCI) that would not even happen if the sink is isolated.

 

[LarryFine]

I see no way that the sink becomes energized.

A disposer or instant water heater, both of which (should) have EGCs.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

A disposer or instant water heater, both of which (should) have EGCs.

That was not the application that he posted.