2014 PDF

[Dennis Alwon]

If anyone has the 2014 pdf would you be so kind and check article 680.25(A)(1) exception. My pdf copy does not have the exception at all but it is clearly there in the 2014 NEC :?

 

[infinity]

It went away:

17-119 Log #1561 NEC-P17 Final Action: Accept
(680.25(A)(1) Exception)
________________________________________________________________
Submitter: David Clements, International Association of Electrical Inspectors
Recommendation: Delete text as follows:
680.25 Feeders.
(A) Wiring Methods. (1) Feeders.
Exception: An existing feeder between an existing remote panelboard and
service equipment shall be permitted to run in flexible metal conduit or an
approved cable assembly that includes an equipment grounding conductor
within its outer sheath. The equipment grounding conductor shall comply with
250.24(A)(5).
Substantiation: Inspectors struggle with the term ?existing? in this section.
The grounding and bonding requirements for pools and spas are there for the
safety of the users. The exception for ?existing? feeders allows the installation
of the feeder without an insulated EGC and after some arbitrary time period the
installation becomes ?existing? and the pool equipment can be installed without
this important electrical safety requirement. This should not be allowed.
Panel Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 10
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 10

17-120 Log #2729 NEC-P17 Final Action: Accept
(680.25(A)(1) Exception)
________________________________________________________________
Submitter: Dan Ordahl, City of Lakeville
Recommendation: Delete text as follows:
680.25 Feeders.
(A) Wiring Methods. (1) Feeders.
Exception: An existing feeder between an existing remote panelboard and
service equipment shall be permitted to run in flexible metal conduit or an
approved cable assembly that includes an equipment grounding conductor
within its outer sheath. The equipment grounding conductor shall comply with
250.24(A)(5).
Substantiation: Inspectors struggle with the term ?existing? in this section.
The grounding and bonding requirements for pools and spas are there for the
safety of the users. The exception for ?existing? feeders allows the installation
of the feeder without an insulated EGC and after some arbitrary time period the
installation becomes ?existing? and the pool equipment can be installed without
this important electrical safety requirement. This should not be allowed.
Panel Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 10
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 10

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Then why is it in the code book?

 

[infinity]

Am I in the wrong place in the 2014?

680.25 Feeders. These provisions shall apply to any feeder
on the supply side of panelboards supplying branch circuits
for pool equipment covered in Part II of this article and on
the load side of the service equipment or the source of a
separately derived system.
(A) Wiring Methods.
(1) Feeders. Feeders shall be installed in rigid metal conduit
or intermediate metal conduit. The following wiring methods
shall be permitted if not subject to physical damage:
(1) Liquidtight flexible nonmetallic conduit
(2) Rigid polyvinyl chloride conduit
(3) Reinforced thermosetting resin conduit
(4) Electrical metallic tubing where installed on or within a
building
(5) Electrical nonmetallic tubing where installed within a
building
(6) Type MC cable where installed within a building and if
not subject to corrosive environment
(2) Aluminum Conduit. Aluminum conduit shall not be
permitted in the pool area where subject to corrosion.
(B) Grounding. An equipment grounding conductor shall be
installed with the feeder conductors between the grounding
terminal of the pool equipment panelboard and the grounding
terminal of the applicable service equipment or source of a
separately derived system. For other than feeders to separate
buildings that do not utilize an insulated equipment grounding
conductor in accordance with 680.25(B)(2), this equipment
grounding conductor shall be insulated.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

This is what is in my 2014 NEC

Exception: A feeder within a one family dwelling unit or two family dwelling unit between remote panel board and service equipment shall be permitted to run in flexible metal conduit or an approved cable assembly that includes an insulated equipment grounding conductor within its outer sheath. The equipment grounding conductor shall comply with 250.24(A)(5)

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Am I in the wrong place in the 2014?

That is what I have in the pdf version but there is supposed to be an exception after #6 in (A)(1)

 

[Dennis Alwon]

The word insulated has been added to the exception and they re wrote the first sentence a bit.

 

[M. D.]

The word insulated has been added to the exception and they re wrote the first sentence a bit.

https://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/Errata70-14-2.pdf red words to be removed

31. Delete the Exception in 680.25(A)(1).

32. Revise 680.25(B) to read as follows:
(B) Grounding. An equipment grounding conductor shall be installed with the feeder conductors between the grounding
terminal of the pool equipment panelboard and the grounding terminal of the applicable service equipment or source of a
separately derived system. For other than (1) existing feeders covered in 680.25(A), exception, or (2) feeders to separate
buildings that do not utilize an insulated equipment grounding conductor in accordance with 680.25(B)(2), this equipment
grounding conductor shall be insulated. Errata No.: 70-14-2

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Interesting -- I had the errata and missed it.. Thanks MD

 

[LEO2854]

https://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/Errata70-14-2.pdf red words to be removed

Good man M. D.