Patient care rooms in adult community.

[natepifer]

I came onto an already started job and the foreman on site has run jumpers out of the patient care room in hospital grade mc and have put them into jboxes and are running the home runs in regular mc. Jboxes are in hallway.

I didn't think that was legal. I thought the feed had to go to panel in hospital grade.

Thanks guys.

 

[roger]

You are correct, the complete branch circuit will have to comply with article 517.13. 517.13(A) starts off;

(A) Wiring Methods. All branch circuits serving patient care areas shall be provided with an effective ground-fault current path by installation in a metal raceway system, or a cable having a metallic armor or sheath assembly. The metal raceway system, or metallic cable armor, or sheath assembly shall itself qualify as an equipment grounding conductor in accordance with 250.118.

A branch circuit can not be in compliance if only part of it is installed correctly.

Roger

 

[david]

I came onto an already started job and the foreman on site has run jumpers out of the patient care room in hospital grade mc and have put them into jboxes and are running the home runs in regular mc. Jboxes are in hallway.

I didn't think that was legal. I thought the feed had to go to panel in hospital grade.

Thanks guys.

what's an adult community?

 

[roger]

what's an adult community?

It sounds like an assisted living facillity

Roger

 

[natepifer]

Yeah it has assisted living quarters. I wanted to make sure I asked more qualified or those that have worked with hospital grade more than myself. Before bringing this issue up. Feeding with regular 12/2 down a hall to a jbox with 12/2 hospital seemed cheap at the very list and incorrect.

I found that code and wanted to see if I interpreted it the correct way.

Thank you for your response.

 

[david]

Yeah it has assisted living quarters. I wanted to make sure I asked more qualified or those that have worked with hospital grade more than myself. Before bringing this issue up. Feeding with regular 12/2 down a hall to a jbox with 12/2 hospital seemed cheap at the very list and incorrect.

I found that code and wanted to see if I interpreted it the correct way.

Thank you for your response.

is hospital grade mc required? are these patient areas or sleeping area

 

[roger]

is hospital grade mc required? are these patient areas or sleeping area

Based on the title of the thread and the first post these are patient care rooms but, if they are sleeping rooms the HCF is not needed at all.

Roger

 

[david]

The OP stated he was new to this job site.

The foreman made a change to the type of wiring method that was being used on the job site.

The Op said he was concerned because the method was changed from HG to regular MC.

I just think he may want to verify that the HG was needed in the first place before he concludes that the installation is illegal or incorrect.

I do agree he is being diligent in raising this concern.

 

[kwired]

Home runs could also be a metal raceway with an internal equipment grounding conductor and would meet redundant grounding requirements - if they are necessary.

I agree with checking on whether or not you actually have a patient care area. Most "assisted living facilities" are not and do not intend to provide any health care besides helping residents with their prescriptions, or providing other minor help with medical "home medical devices". If a medical emergency comes up they are only providing necessary first aid type of care and either calling an ambulance or transporting the "resident" to a hospital with their own vehicle. They are usually "residents" and not "patients", and the facility often has no license to provide anything besides the kind of care I mentioned before.

 

[mgookin]

Home runs could also be a metal raceway with an internal equipment grounding conductor and would meet redundant grounding requirements - if they are necessary.

I agree with checking on whether or not you actually have a patient care area. Most "assisted living facilities" are not and do not intend to provide any health care besides helping residents with their prescriptions, or providing other minor help with medical "home medical devices". If a medical emergency comes up they are only providing necessary first aid type of care and either calling an ambulance or transporting the "resident" to a hospital with their own vehicle. They are usually "residents" and not "patients", and the facility often has no license to provide anything besides the kind of care I mentioned before.

+1

That's my experience as well. We have lots of them here and they're classified as non-transient residential.