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I_am_Im_Me

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I may be reading this wrong but it seems to me your foreman took issue with you using the fixture wire to connect to the 12s coming in to the 12s leaving the fixture and continuing the lighting branch circuit to feed the last two fixtures. As I read your post I had the impression you did not splice the 12s together you came in one end taped to the fixture wire then tap the fixture wire at the other end and continued that to the next fixture . Please clarify if the 12s in the fixture where spliced together or you used the fixture wire to connect the 12s together.

"Those 12's in the flex(feeders), along with the 12/2's from the 6 foot mc factory fixture whip in that last j-box on the crowded side of the corridor will both splice into the #14 fixture taps in this particular fixture "

I'll see if I can clarify.

Had I done it my way, I would have come in one side of the fixture with the whip containing the 12's. I then would have come out the other side of the fixture with 12's in order to continue my lighting branch circuit feed to hit the last two fixtures. Had I done that, I simply would have pigtailed the 12's and stabbed the pigtails into the disconnects on the fixture leads.

I would not have done any splicing involving the fixture wires.

Hope that helps to answer your question and clear things up a bit. I'm new here and I guess I'm not all that good at explaining myself judging by all the confusion.

Will try and do better on any future posts.
 

kwired

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I'll see if I can clarify.

Had I done it my way, I would have come in one side of the fixture with the whip containing the 12's. I then would have come out the other side of the fixture with 12's in order to continue my lighting branch circuit feed to hit the last two fixtures. Had I done that, I simply would have pigtailed the 12's and stabbed the pigtails into the disconnects on the fixture leads.

I would not have done any splicing involving the fixture wires.

Hope that helps to answer your question and clear things up a bit. I'm new here and I guess I'm not all that good at explaining myself judging by all the confusion.

Will try and do better on any future posts.
So you are using a reduced sized conductor to carry current that passes on to other luminaires??
 

Little Bill

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He already said he wasn't using the fixture conductors to extend the circuit. He has 12s on each end and pigtailed to the fixture wires.

Edit:He said IF he did it that way.
 
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I_am_Im_Me

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This is how I was going to do it until I was told by the foreman that I couldn't because it was a violation.


On a side note, I was a D student in art. But, with that being said, I still hope that this will help to clear some things up for those who are still confused and/or those who prefer picture books over novels.:p Fixture.jpg
 

infinity

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This is how I was going to do it until I was told by the foreman that I couldn't because it was a violation.


On a side note, I was a D student in art. But, with that being said, I still hope that this will help to clear some things up for those who are still confused and/or those who prefer picture books over novels.:p View attachment 8983

IMO not a great way to do it but those wire sizes are code compliant.
 

I_am_Im_Me

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IMO not a great way to do it but those wire sizes are code compliant.

I'd agree not the best way under most circumstances and I would generally always rather keep the feeders in the conduit and j-boxes rather than splice in the fixture and use it as a chase. But, if you could have seen how buried that j-box on the line side of the fixture was, I think you would probably agree that, in this particular situation at least, it was the best option available.
 

kwired

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I'd agree not the best way under most circumstances and I would generally always rather keep the feeders in the conduit and j-boxes rather than splice in the fixture and use it as a chase. But, if you could have seen how buried that j-box on the line side of the fixture was, I think you would probably agree that, in this particular situation at least, it was the best option available.

I can't ever recall seeing a "factory whip" with 12 AWG conductors.

Where is the 14 AWG that was in question earlier?

Edit: never mind - they are the "fixture leads". But I can't ever recall seeing those being anything besides 16 or 18 AWG either.
 
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