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Question, in pricing change orders, what factors do you usually include in your price?
We are pricing a COD which changes 98 lines of a 272 line cable schedule and also adds 29 line items. The basement area is literally stuffed with duct work, our conduits were run on the ceiling 19 feet off the floor. There is massive congestion of equipment and multiple trades now and we have to start changing out our conduits for the changes.
The project is a hospital here on island and we usually use 125% of bid labor for our local labor factor. I use McCormick software. We are thinking we need to go to NECA 2 or 3 for the changes in the basement. The other changes span the whole building but aren't as extensive as the basement level. I think I need to up my PM and site supervision for these changes. I know there are other factors which I need to consider for Negative impact on the base contract, lower productivity aggravation etc, but how would you normally transfer that to a bid formula?
The typical change is actually going to have to be 4 parts (extensions).
1) Credit for the entire Cable Schedule allowance, the original bid was done strictly by the cables schedule lengths as directed during tender. Now since no wire has been pulled,we are crediting the entire bid back.
2) Charges for the work already in place, at bid labor and material factors.
3) Charges for removal of work in place ( @ what labor factor?) since we know it doesn't take as long to remove as install, but it is going to be trying at the least to get back to the work in place.
4) Since work in place has measure string in most of it, I now know approximately the distance of the work to be installed. So pricing will be based on the actual lengths implementing the changed schedule, but @ what labor factor to caption all the impacts with the compaction. Oh and by the way, the job is officially on time and under budget, with no change to the scheduled completion date. (MY *#s)
This job was design build and when it came out for tender, the Cable Schedule was the only real reference we had for equipment etc. Our portion of the hospital only is the distribution system, generators, buss risers,with lighting and small power in the basement. We are actually sub contracted to the M&E sub to the General Contractor.
So I guess my question is, what would you do, but with justification. I've done a ton of research, I can find the impacts, but I'm trying to figure out how to factor it into my pricing. Thanks.
We are pricing a COD which changes 98 lines of a 272 line cable schedule and also adds 29 line items. The basement area is literally stuffed with duct work, our conduits were run on the ceiling 19 feet off the floor. There is massive congestion of equipment and multiple trades now and we have to start changing out our conduits for the changes.
The project is a hospital here on island and we usually use 125% of bid labor for our local labor factor. I use McCormick software. We are thinking we need to go to NECA 2 or 3 for the changes in the basement. The other changes span the whole building but aren't as extensive as the basement level. I think I need to up my PM and site supervision for these changes. I know there are other factors which I need to consider for Negative impact on the base contract, lower productivity aggravation etc, but how would you normally transfer that to a bid formula?
The typical change is actually going to have to be 4 parts (extensions).
1) Credit for the entire Cable Schedule allowance, the original bid was done strictly by the cables schedule lengths as directed during tender. Now since no wire has been pulled,we are crediting the entire bid back.
2) Charges for the work already in place, at bid labor and material factors.
3) Charges for removal of work in place ( @ what labor factor?) since we know it doesn't take as long to remove as install, but it is going to be trying at the least to get back to the work in place.
4) Since work in place has measure string in most of it, I now know approximately the distance of the work to be installed. So pricing will be based on the actual lengths implementing the changed schedule, but @ what labor factor to caption all the impacts with the compaction. Oh and by the way, the job is officially on time and under budget, with no change to the scheduled completion date. (MY *#s)
This job was design build and when it came out for tender, the Cable Schedule was the only real reference we had for equipment etc. Our portion of the hospital only is the distribution system, generators, buss risers,with lighting and small power in the basement. We are actually sub contracted to the M&E sub to the General Contractor.
So I guess my question is, what would you do, but with justification. I've done a ton of research, I can find the impacts, but I'm trying to figure out how to factor it into my pricing. Thanks.
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