recepticle outlet for gas stove top residential kitchen

[howardrichman]

I'll be installing an outlet for a gas stove recepticle outlet (permit required); installed in lower cabnet. Where does this fall in kitchen recepticles? Can this outlet be a duplex, non tamper(older home) 15 amp branch circuit supplied based on load? The other question; is if I'm to convert the 8-3 alum SE cable from a recently removed electric stove top line to the 120 v outlet, and breaker change, is that permissable w/ co/al wire caps?

Thank you;
HR...

 

[Little Bill]

I'll be installing an outlet for a gas stove recepticle outlet (permit required); installed in lower cabnet. Where does this fall in kitchen recepticles? Can this outlet be a duplex, non tamper(older home) 15 amp branch circuit supplied based on load? The other question; is if I'm to convert the 8-3 alum SE cable from a recently removed electric stove top line to the 120 v outlet, and breaker change, is that permissable w/ co/al wire caps?

Thank you;
HR...

The receptacle would have to be TR IMO. It is required whenever replacing an existing or adding a new one anywhere TR are required.

You can use the "purple" nuts, but I like the Polaris taps better. They are dual rated Cu or Al.

 

[bobbymari]

I believe this falls under the fixed appliance exception especially since being in a cabinet and not readily accessable.

Outlets more than 5.5' off the ground (only common one I can think of is the one for a garage door opener)
Outlets designed to be used by a major appliance which normally blocks access to the receptacle (mostly in the kitchen; fridge/stove/oven/dishwasher)

 

[hurk27]

A gas fired cook top is allowed to be fed from any general purpose circuit, it is also allowed to be fed from the SABC as the exception #2 to 210.52(B)(2) remember it is an exception to be on the SABC not a requirement.

It might be easier to just pull a receptacle down from a counter receptacle if there is one located close to the cook top, also look to see if there is a receptacle on the other side of the wall or even a switch that might have a hot and neutral as both would be compliant to feed it from as per the NEC.

pig tailing to go from the #8al to #14 or #12 at both the old receptacle and breaker could be done but might be more costly with the special connection requirements then if there is another circuit is close by to feed from, but you have options just choose which one will keep the cost down and make your job easier for you.

I agree with post 3 (sorry little bill) as the 2011 did add the exception to not require TR receptacles in some areas where children would not likely have access to it, the 2008 addition of TR receptacles without any exception never made any sense and I was glad they were added in 2011 even though we voted them out of the Indiana codes (except child caring places 406.14) 406.12 was removed here.

 

[jumper]

Technically because of the silly rules of re-identifying conductors, neutrals and grounding, smaller than #4 there is no legal way to use that SE cable as a 120V circuit. You would have 2 solid black and a bare conductor in the cable.

Although this has never stopped me from doing it.....:angel:

 

[infinity]

Technically because of the silly rules of re-identifying conductors, neutrals and grounding, smaller than #4 there is no legal way to use that SE cable as a 120V circuit. You would have 2 solid black and a bare conductor in the cable.

Although this has never stopped me from doing it.....:angel:

Wouldn't 8-3 SE cable have 4 conductors?

 

[Little Bill]

A gas fired cook top is allowed to be fed from any general purpose circuit, it is also allowed to be fed from the SABC as the exception #2 to 210.52(B)(2) remember it is an exception to be on the SABC not a requirement.

It might be easier to just pull a receptacle down from a counter receptacle if there is one located close to the cook top, also look to see if there is a receptacle on the other side of the wall or even a switch that might have a hot and neutral as both would be compliant to feed it from as per the NEC.

pig tailing to go from the #8al to #14 or #12 at both the old receptacle and breaker could be done but might be more costly with the special connection requirements then if there is another circuit is close by to feed from, but you have options just choose which one will keep the cost down and make your job easier for you.

I agree with post 3 (sorry little bill) as the 2011 did add the exception to not require TR receptacles in some areas where children would not likely have access to it, the 2008 addition of TR receptacles without any exception never made any sense and I was glad they were added in 2011 even though we voted them out of the Indiana codes (except child caring places 406.14) 406.12 was removed here.

I did say where a TR recep is required.

The receptacle would have to be TR IMO. It is required whenever replacing an existing or adding a new one anywhere TR are required.

 

[jumper]

Wouldn't 8-3 SE cable have 4 conductors?

The OP said SE, so I assumed his 8-3 designation was a three conductor cable.

I did not see it as 8-3 w/ground.