Working off my license

[growler]

I have journeyman electrician who has a job he wants to bid on but he does have a license. He wants to use my license and pay me and I would supervise. Is this ok

What's the differents if a general contractor heirs J- man and I supervise there work. It's the same as when I heir a worker I supervise.

When you pull the permit for this job then this job is your responsibility, there is no way around that. The journeyman is not useing your license, you just have an odd labor arrangment. That's a whole different can of worms.

This job is yours if you are getting paid or not.

If you are going to do this make sure they know that your company is doing the job and that you are not selling your license. You don't want his guy telling an inspector that good old Gus permitted a job for him or even telling it around to friends ( word gets around).

 

[jxofaltrds]

Thank you good replies. As I stated I would be there to supervise very day. I make it clear that after finding out what others ( contractors and a lawyer son in law ) had to says I would make my decision. I work by self and when I need help I 1099 the help I get. What's the differents if a general contractor heirs J- man and I supervise there work. It's the same as when I heir a worker I supervise. I supervise I can't be every place when I run a job, I can only check that they doing it right. When I do get help,I use the same people all the time because I know there work. I have worked with this J-man before and know his and also the work of General Contractor. The reason am not doing the job my self is there is a lot of ladder work and I'm getting to old for that. I probably will doing more than supervise but I don't want to put myself out on a limb.

May I strongly suggest that you or your lawyer son-in-law call Carol Ross at the OCILB and ask her if what you are doing is legal.

Did you read the link that I attached?



http://com.ohio.gov/dico/docs/dico_LicsThingsYouShouldKnow.pdf

 

[guschash]

Not worth the headaches. Thanks for all relies that set me straight on the subject.

 

[kwired]

May I strongly suggest that you or your lawyer son-in-law call Carol Ross at the OCILB and ask her if what you are doing is legal.

Did you read the link that I attached?

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http://com.ohio.gov/dico/docs/dico_LicsThingsYouShouldKnow.pdf

Now that he has explained what is going on he probably is legal with the electrical inspections department, but may have other issues with other agencies.

 

[guschash]

I agree with everyone that responded. But it funny with building contractors pull permit and a have apprentices do the work. Or it's ok for homeowners pull their own permit and do the work theirselves. We have to compete against this but get no help from anybody. I can't use electricians that are master electricians ( Industial ) who are some of the most conscientious and knowledgable electricians that you will ever come across but because they won't pay for a license I can't use them. I like to have dime for every time I a truck that says they do electrical work. If see them Ocilb should see them, nobody stops them. How times have I lost jobs because someone know a handyman, brother , etc that will do it. Why don't inspectors ask who pull the permit and talk to who did the work. I have to a state license and a license for city, county I do work in. What do I get for it, I get pay more fees but I elect to have a state license and go by the book. I try to keep educating myself which isn't cheap. I alway play by the book but I see why some don't.

 

[james_mcquade]

I'm sorry, but something is fishy.
why doesn't he use his license?
has it been revoked, suspended pending an investigation, is he facing a lawsuit?
or
could it be that he is wanting to see if you will do it and get you in trouble and possibly loose your license?

where i used to work, we had this happen all the time, test (tempt) an employee and see what they do.
report it to their suervisors / upper management or face the consequences.

it this was a test - big trouble if you didn't report it. ie. your fired.

to me, it's not worth risking your license and your reputation. this is your proferssion and how you make a living.

i don't care who he is, if he won't use his license, then something is wrong.

just my opinion.

janes

 

[roger]

I'm sorry, but something is fishy.
why doesn't he use his license?
has it been revoked, suspended pending an investigation, is he facing a lawsuit?
or
could it be that he is wanting to see if you will do it and get you in trouble and possibly loose your license?

where i used to work, we had this happen all the time, test (tempt) an employee and see what they do.
report it to their suervisors / upper management or face the consequences.

it this was a test - big trouble if you didn't report it. ie. your fired.

to me, it's not worth risking your license and your reputation. this is your proferssion and how you make a living.

i don't care who he is, if he won't use his license, then something is wrong.

just my opinion.

janes

James, in many states Journeymen can not permit jobs.

Roger

 

[jxofaltrds]

I agree with everyone that responded. But it funny with building contractors pull permit and a have apprentices do the work. Or it's ok for homeowners pull their own permit and do the work theirselves. We have to compete against this but get no help from anybody. I can't use electricians that are master electricians ( Industial ) who are some of the most conscientious and knowledgable electricians that you will ever come across but because they won't pay for a license I can't use them. I like to have dime for every time I a truck that says they do electrical work. If see them Ocilb should see them, nobody stops them. How times have I lost jobs because someone know a handyman, brother , etc that will do it. Why don't inspectors ask who pull the permit and talk to who did the work. I have to a state license and a license for city, county I do work in. What do I get for it, I get pay more fees but I elect to have a state license and go by the book. I try to keep educating myself which isn't cheap. I alway play by the book but I see why some don't.

'Sounds' like you are complaining about residential work. Correct? If so NOTHING can be done about 'unregistered', note I did not use Licensed, electricians. The state license that you hold is only for commercial work. But you know that.

Nothing can be done against ANYONE doing 1,2,3 family work in Ohio unless a Certified Building Department goes after them for not REGISTERING.

Big deal!

I feel your pain. That is why I no longer do contracting work. I lost money by play by the rules.

PS if this is residential work your 'subs' DO NOT have to hold a license.

 

[kwired]

I agree with everyone that responded. But it funny with building contractors pull permit and a have apprentices do the work. Or it's ok for homeowners pull their own permit and do the work theirselves. We have to compete against this but get no help from anybody. I can't use electricians that are master electricians ( Industial ) who are some of the most conscientious and knowledgable electricians that you will ever come across but because they won't pay for a license I can't use them. I like to have dime for every time I a truck that says they do electrical work. If see them Ocilb should see them, nobody stops them. How times have I lost jobs because someone know a handyman, brother , etc that will do it. Why don't inspectors ask who pull the permit and talk to who did the work. I have to a state license and a license for city, county I do work in. What do I get for it, I get pay more fees but I elect to have a state license and go by the book. I try to keep educating myself which isn't cheap. I alway play by the book but I see why some don't.

Part of problem is penalties likely are not harsh enough if one gets caught. Catching every non complying act is not going to be easy, but when they find out they only get $50, maybe $100 fine and not much else punishment that is not really that much risk, guess we will have to charge the next guy a little more to recoup that.

Now the licenseholders that do things wrong not only get fined, they also have a threat of having their license taken away or suspended if they are constantly breaking the rules.

 

[Cavie]

My point was that if he is supervising, he is not selling his license. Here in Florida, and as taught by the great Mike Holt, direct supervision, and the authority to make decisions are the determining factors. We can actually qualify 5 different companies with one license. I see one person mentions California, how many times do you think the license holder of Rosendin Electric makes it out to every job his license is used on? I work for a company with less than 50 employees, and the qualifier here doesn't get to every job I run.

I am not saying that this situation is legal in Ohio. What I am saying is that if the OP is truly supervising the job, then it doesn't violate the quote you cited and it is not "selling" your license.

It is selling your license and it is illegal in Florida. Yes you can qualify more that one company, I have done it. What makes it legal is that each company has a license issued to it with your license # on it and each company has Workman's comp and liability insurance. If you pull a permit for someone and sombody gets hurt, guess who the lawyers are comming for!!!