Pass the buck or not my fault

[kwired]

At this time in my life I think if it isn't on the print then it is an extra. I would drop a box or have room on a rack, but I see more and more crappy prints and still the I'm smart from the EE and Arch., so screw them. Wait for it to be a cluster and bill them.
We have to have answers NOW! they have answers ohh 4-9weeks after we ask and the say follow the spec. or print. Why did I send an RFI in then? Resend have a meeting... then any ideas how to fix it? Then your price is too high.
I only look out for the few EE that look out for me.

If the installation is for a customer that you have repeat business with you do it right the first time and don't put your customer through these problems, even if it is not your fault the plans are wrong they want the equipment to operate and you are the one that ultimately makes it happen.

In the OP who looks good to you if you are the owner? The guys that designed it, the guys that disconnected the pressure switch, or the OP that shows up and immediately points out what he sees is obvious - the missing pressure switch? Think he will get called back for future problems over the other guys - most likely.

 

[satcom]

I would pass the buck, because it's never my fault.:angel:

You are a real team player, and if you know the art of buck passing there is no limit, as to how far you can go in any corporate culture, just today there was a news item on a yahoo corporate officer that is accused of expanding his resume, now if he is also good at passing the buck, he will still find another fortune 500 company to welcome him aboard, sad case, but there must be some leadership type people out there.

 

[petersonra]

If the installation is for a customer that you have repeat business with you do it right the first time and don't put your customer through these problems, even if it is not your fault the plans are wrong they want the equipment to operate and you are the one that ultimately makes it happen.

In the OP who looks good to you if you are the owner? The guys that designed it, the guys that disconnected the pressure switch, or the OP that shows up and immediately points out what he sees is obvious - the missing pressure switch? Think he will get called back for future problems over the other guys - most likely.

I can't say I blame anyone for this kind of a mess. I have been down this road trying to get someone to care that something was missing that was absolutely necessary and now and then you get into a situation where you just cannot get anyone that seems to care.

I just write an email to my boss and our customer these days and let her and them ignore the problem if no one else wants to deal with it.

I had a job once where someone supplied a bunch of 208V motors. Big problem because the whole plant was 480. I mentioned it a bunch of times up front when the supplier of the motors sent me a cut sheet. no one in charge of anything was willing to do anything until the motors had already been shipped. i just kind of threw up my hands and let others work it out. I think they ended up replacing the motors, with the cheapest thing they could find on site. But it was completely avoidable up front. The vender would have put the right motors on at no extra cost before shipment if someone would have just told him. I am pretty much convinced that you can't really undo stupid sometimes.

 

[cowboyjwc]

You are a real team player, and if you know the art of buck passing there is no limit, as to how far you can go in any corporate culture, just today there was a news item on a yahoo corporate officer that is accused of expanding his resume, now if he is also good at passing the buck, he will still find another fortune 500 company to welcome him aboard, sad case, but there must be some leadership type people out there.

How do you think I became an electrical inspector?:roll:

 

[satcom]

How do you think I became an electrical inspector?:roll:

Ya, that's right, you work with professional buck passers, city employees, but you will never be as good at the art, as our New Jersey gov. employees.

 

[sameguy]

Most of our work is State/ Fed. bid work, the low winner is all that is looked at. We bring things up to c.y.o.a. and drop a box or what we need to do to make it easy on us later.
Yes, for accounts where we could get repeat we look down the road and catch what we can.

 

[iwire]

So to some it up

The plumber was wrong for not doing electrical work that was not on the plumbing print.



Yeah, that plumber sure is out of line. :roll:

 

[ptonsparky]

The plumber was wrong because he disconnected electrical wiring from an electrical safety device that the engineer left off the print. Engineers are covered in their fine print so that leaves it up to the electrician that never knew the project even existed until the moment of desperate contact by owner. Excuses. Exuses.

 

[jumper]

The plumber was wrong because he disconnected electrical wiring from an electrical safety device that the engineer left off the print. Engineers are covered in their fine print so that leaves it up to the electrician that never knew the project even existed until the moment of desperate contact by owner. Excuses. Exuses.

I do not agree, the onus is on the EE or ME. He drew it up and it was installed that way. That is why PEs gotta carry a large O&E insurance policy.

 

[iwire]

The plumber was wrong because he disconnected electrical wiring from an electrical safety device that the engineer left off the print. Engineers are covered in their fine print so that leaves it up to the electrician that never knew the project even existed until the moment of desperate contact by owner. Excuses. Exuses.

So I assume if you are on a job doing electrical work per print you also do any related plumbing work as well.

 

[kwired]

So I assume if you are on a job doing electrical work per print you also do any related plumbing work as well.

Sounds to me like they unhooked pressure switch, new plans had no mention of pressure switch so they did not re connect it. But they also were not smart enough to figure out that it must have had some function in previous installation and would probably not work if no wiring was changed otherwise. Then they confirmed this by wondering why it did not work when they went to start up the equipment. Meanwhile Tom was familiar enough with whatever it is they have there that he was asking about the pressure switch before he even got there. Electricians are smarter than plumbers that is all there is to it, except when charging for the services they perform of course:happyyes:.