Needed: Older person

[ptonsparky]

My not so local supplier of Siemens parts can't seem to find a FH33 heater. Not a good catalog # is all he can say. They also could not find a coil of similar vintage even though I gave them the exact # with picture of it. View attachment 6686 I suspect this was a Westinghouse or other brand that was relabeled at the time. Perhaps one of the more experienced of our members may remember?

 

[qcroanoke]

http://www.plccenter.com/en-US/Search/Basic/sxl80

Those heaters look like FH32..

 

[ptonsparky]

They are, I need the FH33.

 

[petersonra]

Why not just buy a new IEC contactor and overload and be done with it.

If I had to guess, the cost of that will be less than the value of the time you have already spent looking for replacement parts.

I just do not get why people waste time trying to replace pieces of these kind of things. They are just no longer worth trying to patch up IMO. replace with new and be done with it.

Now if it was size 4 starter, that might be a different puppy. But a size 0 starter is just not worth screwing around with.

 

[ptonsparky]

A search on the PLC websight showed the heater I needed sitting on a CH box. Local CH guy is on the ball and found me several hundred new...@ $35.50 each. We will field engineer, replace with a Manual starter as we have with others, or order the "surplus". These were in a PP that was in really good condition otherwise. I agree sometimes finding parts is just not worth it. Every now and then I have to be reminded.

 

[Johnmcca]

I just replaced a SQD 00 starter with a electronic O/L 3-16A for about $150. Is the search financially worth it?

 

[iceworm]

Why not just buy a new IEC contactor and overload and be done with it.

If I had to guess, the cost of that will be less than the value of the time you have already spent looking for replacement parts.

I just do not get why people waste time trying to replace pieces of these kind of things. They are just no longer worth trying to patch up IMO. replace with new and be done with it.

Now if it was size 4 starter, that might be a different puppy. But a size 0 starter is just not worth screwing around with.

Here are some guesses:
1. Its a NEMA rated contactor, IEC. The specs are different - crossable but different

2. probably, but ...

3. Let's see, how about it is part of a listed combination starter in an MCC bucket and the mfg does not have replacement parts.

I don't know is any of these fit this application, but these are some the reasons why I'll spend days fixing a worn out piece - cause the alternative is worse.

ice

 

[Besoeker]

Why not just buy a new IEC contactor and overload and be done with it.

I agree.
I can buy this for about $20 here in UK.
Maybe I should be selling them to you guys with a phat profit margin.

 

[petersonra]

I agree.
I can buy this for about $20 here in UK.
Maybe I should be selling them to you guys with a phat profit margin.

The contactor would be about $20 and the overload another $20 here for something in a size 0 range.

 

[templdl]

Whenever someone brings up IEC contactors IEC contactors/starters are more appication specifc. NEMA contacts often times an overkill. When an IEC device is properly applied they are less expensive as well as smaller.

IEC ratings for contactors are sized based on application and motor ratings. For AC motors there are four utilization categories:
AC1- Resistive loads such as heaters with a power factor greater than .95
AC2- Starting, plugging, inching and jogging of slip ring motors.
AC3- Line starting and breaking during normal running of standard squirrel cage inductive motors. Application examples include lifts, conveyers, pumps, fans etc. This is considered ?normal? duty for AC motors.
AC4- Plugging, inching and jogging of squirrel cage and slip ring motors. Application examples include cranes, hoists, printing machines, etc.

IEC contactors are sized precisely based on one of the AC utilization ratings noted above. Normal duty or the AC3 rating is typically used for sizing the contactor. For example a 32 amp IEC contactor like our CRC 32 is rated for 32 amps full load current at 220 to 460VAC in AC3 applications. To size the contactor properly you will need to know the voltage, current and HP and use the appropriate 'AC' rating.

 

[weressl]

My not so local supplier of Siemens parts can't seem to find a FH33 heater. Not a good catalog # is all he can say. They also could not find a coil of similar vintage even though I gave them the exact # with picture of it. View attachment 6686 I suspect this was a Westinghouse or other brand that was relabeled at the time. Perhaps one of the more experienced of our members may remember?

http://www.automationdirect.com/adc...ctors_-z-_Overloads/9_to_25_Amp/SC-E04-110VAC Contactor:$22.50
http://www.automationdirect.com/adc...tactors_-z-_Overloads/9_to_25_Amp/TK-E02-1800 Thermal overload, superior to the above: $23.25

Time/value spent discussing this thread: priceless :roll:

 

[Besoeker]

The contactor would be about $20 and the overload another $20 here for something in a size 0 range.

?7.80 for the contactor and ?5.40 for the overload unit.
A little over 13 squid.
Roughly 21 bucks for the combo.

 

[iceworm]

?7.80 for the contactor and ?5.40 for the overload unit.
A little over 13 squid.
Roughly 21 bucks for the combo.

This IEC contactor and overload you are specifying to replace the NEMA Size 0:
Is it listed?
Is it an AC1 or AC4?

I'm still curious about you (all) know this NEMA 0 is not part of a listed combination controller.

You guys are quick to tell pt how dumb is it to fix the old one, but you are pretty slow to be sure you are meeting spec.

ice

 

[Strife]

Might be because the heaters are not siemens.
As soon as I seen the picture I said to myself:"that doesn't look like a siemens overload relay".
Sure enough, doing a search for fh32 and fh33 shows it being a cutler hammer.

My not so local supplier of Siemens parts can't seem to find a FH33 heater. Not a good catalog # is all he can say. They also could not find a coil of similar vintage even though I gave them the exact # with picture of it. View attachment 6686 I suspect this was a Westinghouse or other brand that was relabeled at the time. Perhaps one of the more experienced of our members may remember?

 

[mike7330]

AAker Electric Supply in passic, nj the ship and have tons of old starter parts,, breakers call them
1 800 552 5880

 

[GearMan]

They are, I need the FH33.

OK, I'll be the older guy. Siemens called this the US series starter and supplied it with the Westinghouse OL block as a buy out / relabel during that time frame. The OL heaters were also relabeled...Siemens added a "S" to the prefix of the cat.# 'S'FH33. Cutler Hammer bought the Westinghouse line. FH heaters are available through CH. You can find these for under $8.00. If you need more than just heaters, replace the starter.

 

[norcal]

The overload relay may be a Telemecanique , which was the former ITE, Gould/ITE industrial control line. Siemens did use rebranded ITE/Telemecanique items.

 

[ptonsparky]

OK, I'll be the older guy. Siemens called this the US series starter and supplied it with the Westinghouse OL block as a buy out / relabel during that time frame. The OL heaters were also relabeled...Siemens added a "S" to the prefix of the cat.# 'S'FH33. Cutler Hammer bought the Westinghouse line. FH heaters are available through CH. You can find these for under $8.00. If you need more than just heaters, replace the starter.

I knew someone would remember.

 

[Besoeker]

This IEC contactor and overload you are specifying to replace the NEMA Size 0:
Is it listed?
Is it an AC1 or AC4?

FWIW:
CE, UL & CSA Approved
4KW 9A AC3 (25A AC1) 3 Pole
Maximum Rated Operational Voltage 690V

Next size up:
CE, UL & CSA Approved
5.5KW 12A AC3 (25A AC1) 3 Pole
Maximum Rated Operational Voltage 690V

It costs a bit more - about $8