NEC & House Electrical Panel

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I have a 58 year old house with 100A service. The main is a 2-fuse box at the meter. The 2-60A pull fuses feeds the electric cook top and dryer at 230V. 1-60A pull fuse feeds the 6-ckt house panel (2 spaces, no main) located in the master clothes closet (this meets the NEC 6-switch max rule w/o main). 2-15A breakers feed the lighting in the 1500 SF house and 3-20A breakers feed the receptacles. 1-20 breaker feeds a bathroom wall heater. As you can understand we've always had the problem of tripping breakers.

I want to upgrade the service to 200A with a main panel at the meter splitting the load to the house, range/dryer and garage subpanel. The garage subpanel will take care of the range/oven, dryer, 230V 60A power receptacle and rewired garage circuits and outdoor cicuits. I also want to put an exhaust fan in a bathroom.

Can I leave the (E) house panel in the closet, add the exhaust fan to the bathroom receptacle circuit and unload the kitchen circuits off the (E) house panel adding then to the new panel at the meter?

Can all this work be done w/o adding AFCIs because I'm not touching the bedroom wiring?
 

templdl

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I have a 58 year old house with 100A service. The main is a 2-fuse box at the meter. The 2-60A pull fuses feeds the electric cook top and dryer at 230V. 1-60A pull fuse feeds the 6-ckt house panel (2 spaces, no main) located in the master clothes closet (this meets the NEC 6-switch max rule w/o main). 2-15A breakers feed the lighting in the 1500 SF house and 3-20A breakers feed the receptacles. 1-20 breaker feeds a bathroom wall heater. As you can understand we've always had the problem of tripping breakers.

I want to upgrade the service to 200A with a main panel at the meter splitting the load to the house, range/dryer and garage subpanel. The garage subpanel will take care of the range/oven, dryer, 230V 60A power receptacle and rewired garage circuits and outdoor cicuits. I also want to put an exhaust fan in a bathroom.

Can I leave the (E) house panel in the closet, add the exhaust fan to the bathroom receptacle circuit and unload the kitchen circuits off the (E) house panel adding then to the new panel at the meter?

Can all this work be done w/o adding AFCIs because I'm not touching the bedroom wiring?

Are you a qualified person who has knowledge of safe electrical practices and procedures. are you a licensed electrician? Do you have access to or have a copy of the NEC?
With all do respect this form is not intended for the do it yourselfers as a moderator may point out.
 
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What a reply! Thanks. I know the code. My questions are for my design practice. I would like to know these before I complete the design and turn it over to a contractor (electrician).

It seems to me that not everything is spelled out in the code but good practical experience from those who know are the best source.
 

augie47

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I believe you will find the answer will vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. You best bet is to ask the AHJ in your area,
Normally I see the AHJs allowing the old panel to remain in the closet but be refed with a 4 wire feeder seperating N & G. Adding circuits to it might be a whole different matter.
 

templdl

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What a reply! Thanks. I know the code. My questions are for my design practice. I would like to know these before I complete the design and turn it over to a contractor (electrician).

It seems to me that not everything is spelled out in the code but good practical experience from those who know are the best source.

My intent was not to talk down to you but to assure that we are on the same page. From an applications engineer point of view I have to use caution when replying to application questions because of the level of unknown expertise of the person who is asking the question. My personal intent is not to give someone a "loaded gun" and that person going off half cocked with the possibility of being hurt, hurting others of causing a fire.
The NEC has gotten a lot better over the years but, you're right, sometime one has to look under a few rocks of tie multiple code sections together to find a reference.
You probably will have to pull a permit anyway so as augie47 suggested get your AJH (electrical inspector) in to look at what you have and bounce a few ideas off oh him since he's the msn that has put his stamp off approval on it anyway. Y9ou may as well struck up a relationship with him anyway up front.
It appears as though when he sees the installation as it exists not that he will be tickled pink to see you upgrading what seems be a bit of a mess.
 
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