Minimum power to get electric shock

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I have a strange doubt i guess.. what is the main reason for getting electric shock.. is it CURRENT( if so what is the minimum amount of current) or VOLTAGE(if so what is the minimum amount of voltage) or POWER (if so what is the minimum amount of Power) or the combination of voltage and current leads to a shock?? .. i heard that we wont get a shock even if 100 amps flow through us when voltage is very less.. im in full confusion.. please throw some light in this concept for me.

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mivey

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Thank you very much for your response.

yes one of my frds touched the disconnector during type testing. here is his situation

"I have seen the following test equipment(type test) and touched it but I didn't get the shock.

we passed 100A DC through the disconnector current path to find the voltage drop(to find the resistance ).
Here I touched the current path but I did not get the shock.I think voltage is low in this case. Is the reason for not getting shock is the low voltage. ? "
 

mivey

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Touching a current path is not the same as being part of the current path.

Also, keep in mind that touching is less dangerous than other shock accidents. With a touch, the voltage must be high enough to overcome the skin resistance. If the conductor penetrates the skin and reaches the blood & muscle, it takes a lot less voltage to get dangerous current flow.

While DC does not act exactly the same as AC, it will definitely kill you also.
 

zog

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Hii
I have a strange doubt i guess.. what is the main reason for getting electric shock.. is it CURRENT( if so what is the minimum amount of current) or VOLTAGE(if so what is the minimum amount of voltage) or POWER (if so what is the minimum amount of Power) or the combination of voltage and current leads to a shock?? .. i heard that we wont get a shock even if 100 amps flow through us when voltage is very less.. im in full confusion.. please throw some light in this concept for me.

Thanks in advance

You really need some basic electrical theory and safety training to be working in breaker cabinets.
 

wtucker

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Minimum power to get electric shock

0.1 amp at 60 Hz transthoracic (across the heart) for 3 seconds is all that's required to induce ventricular or atrial fibrillation (stop the normal heartbeat).

500 ohms is the minimum resistance of the human body, assuming ideal conditions: sweaty skin in good contact with a ground.

So, by Ohm's law: 0.1 A x 500 V = 50 volts can kill.

That's why OSHA insists that current-carrying conductors of 50 V or more must be guarded by insulation, distance or enclosure.

So, why don't we all die from 50-volt shocks? Because the current doesn't always cross the heart, and, mostly, because our skin normally offers more resistance than the ideal described above. Remember, too, that in the equation, the 0.1 A required for fibrillation won't change, so bumping the voltage to 277, divided by 0.1 amp means it'll overcome 2,770 ohms of resistance, which is why higher voltages yield such a stronger jolt.

A human will perceive an electric shock around 1 mA. 6-9 mA will be painful.
 

iMuse97

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i heard that we wont get a shock even if 100 amps flow through us when voltage is very less.. im in full confusion.. Thanks in advance

Just to add some ideas: Your confusion is well-founded because the things you've heard have little basis in real-world situations. Or in the case of the above quote, are completely false.

1. If 100 amperes flowed through a human person, they would be shocked, and most likely die if the path were through vital organs.

2. It is likely that your confusion results from the fact that under certain circumstances, an individual could touch a conductor of a 100 ampere capacity (ampacity) and not receive a shock--because, for whatever reason, they do not become a path for the current. As in your comment, if the voltage were very small, you likely would not become a path for the current, in which case 100 amps would not flow through you. And because this oddity can occur, you heard somebody (whose job it is to know better) tell you that 100 amperes may not kill.

This is technically true. As I type this, I sit not two feet from a 200 ampere
service. It has never shocked me yet, since all the conductive equipment is
enclosed and/or insulated. I intend to keep it that way.


This person should have told you what minimum amperages (with what voltages) are required to injure or kill. These amperages are a very small number, as the previous post so clearly illustrates.

3. Also what you need to know is that amperage and voltage are not the only things you need to concern yourself with. These values are often spoken of in terms that say "this amperage, x, or this voltage, y, is or is not a dangerous amperage or voltage. This is wrongheaded thinking. So often it is the guy like yourself, with limited knowledge (on the advice of another with similarly limited knowledge) who ends up being the statistic.


86-35 Maintenance worker electrocuted while replacing a ballast in a fluorescent light fixture. Conductor not deenergized, polarity reversed because of installation error.
86-36 Carpenter electrocuted when portable electric saw apparently developed a ground fault. Engaged in construction of laundry building for apartment complex.

These items, taken directly from a NIOSH report, illustrate that the average Joe Construction Worker can easily be killed (electrocution by definition is deadly) going about their tasks if they do not take proper precautions.

4. Another thing altogether is ArcFlash and ArcBlast. Just look these up. And choose video.
 
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kwired

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Voltage and current alone are somewhat meaningless when determining whether or not a particular individual will feel a shock or if death will occur.

Where the current flows and how much of it flows through certain organs are the ultimate factors. These items will be different for different people as well as current wil flow differently in same person with different contact points.

Remember that for current to flow at all you must contact two points of different potential. If you are standing on dry wood floor you should be able to grab any under 600 volt system conductor and probably many over 600 volt conductors as well, and nothing happens. Stand barefoot on a wet concrete slab and grab a conductor that has 30 volts to ground and you will likely feel something. If you have a cut in one of your feet then you will likely feel even more. If same 30 volt conductor does not have an associated grounded conductor then nothing happens.
If same conductor is part of 10,000 volt system but there is no associated grounded conductor (intentional or not) then nothing happens.

"I have seen the following test equipment(type test) and touched it but I didn't get the shock.

If you contacted one lead of the voltage source but were insulated from the other lead you are not a part of any current circuit.
 
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